Telling True Stories: An Interview with Wendy Call

(This interview originally appeared in The Practicing Writer, February-March 2007.)

TELLING TRUE STORIES: An Interview with Wendy Call
by Erika Dreifus

Many of our practicing writers have heard me mention the Nieman Conference on Narrative Journalism, which I’ve had the privilege to attend for the past two years. Now, I’m delighted to present an interview with Wendy Call, co-editor (with Mark Kramer) of Telling True Stories: A Nonfiction Writers’ Guide from the Nieman Foundation at Harvard University, which is based on Conference sessions.

Wendy Call is a freelance writer and editor, currently writer-in-residence at Richard Hugo House, Seattle’s literary center. Excerpts from her narrative nonfiction book-in-progress, No Word for Welcome, have won awards from the Blue Mountain Center, Bread Loaf Writers’ Conference, Hedgebrook, and Wesleyan Writers Conference. Grants from Artist Trust, Institute of Current World Affairs, Oberlin College Alumni Association, and the Seattle CityArtist Program have supported the reporting, research, and writing of No Word for Welcome, about rural, southern Mexico.

Wendy’s nonfiction has appeared in English, Spanish and French in more than 20 magazines and literary journals, including Blue Mesa Review, Chain, NACLA Report on the Americas, Revista: The Harvard Review of Latin America, and VIVA NY/The Daily News, as well as in several anthologies. Wendy became a full-time writer and editor in 2000, after devoting a decade to work for social change organizations in Seattle and Boston.

Recently Wendy responded to a series of questions from Practicing Writer editor, Erika Dreifus.

Erika Dreifus (ED): Wendy, how would you define “narrative nonfiction”? In your view, how does it overlap with (or differ from) “creative nonfiction”?

Wendy Call (WC): In the preface to Telling True Stories, my co-editor Mark Kramer and I sidestepped this question, which is nearly always asked. We wrote, “The genre of telling true stories goes by many names,” then listed seven different terms – including “narrative nonfiction” and “creative nonfiction.”

I don’t think there are clear differences between the two, though writers who attach one or other label to their work seem to fall into slightly different categories. Narrative nonfiction writers tend to maintain allegiance to journalistic ethics – valuing factual accuracy above all else – and tend to write about subjects and people outside of their own lives and experience. Creative nonfiction writers tend to follow a slightly different path. Some come to literary nonfiction writing from poetry or fiction; their work tends to have a more fully developed first-person narrator.

Mark likes to tell his students, “Do whatever you want, just make sure you tell the reader what you are doing.” I agree. If you are going to change subjects’ names or collapse time or reorder events, and still label your work any variety of nonfiction, make sure your readers understand that.

ED: Telling True Stories is a guide from the Nieman Foundation at Harvard University. Please tell us a bit about the work of the Nieman Foundation.

WC
: The Nieman Foundation’s primary mission is to provide one-year, mid-career fellowships at Harvard University for journalists from all over the world. The history of the foundation is an interesting one; you can read about it at the Nieman Web site.

Telling True Stories is based on sessions offered at the Nieman Conference on Narrative Journalism, hosted annually by the Nieman Foundation from 2001 to 2006. (The next conference is scheduled for March 2008). Mark founded the conference at Boston University in the late 1990s and moved it to Harvard University in 2001.

ED: How did you become involved with the Nieman Foundation, and with this book project in particular?

WC
: My connection to the Nieman Foundation is limited to the anthology; I’m a full-time freelancer. In early 2000 I transitioned from full-time grassroots organizing to full-time writing and editing. (I used to write in my spare time, now that’s when I do my activist work.) I was preparing for a two-year fellowship in southern Mexico, to write a narrative nonfiction series about how rural, indigenous communities were adapting to the huge changes brought by economic globalization. I’d never taken a writing class before, and thought I should do that before heading off to Mexico. I attended a half-day National Writers Union workshop led by Mark Kramer, and then I signed up for a literary journalism graduate course he taught at Boston University. It took two full years reporting and writing in southern Mexico for me to understand what Mark had tried to teach us about immersion journalism. He read what I wrote, and after I returned to the United States, he approached me with the idea of crafting an anthology from the workshops and lectures offered at his Narrative Journalism Conference. Four years later, Telling True Stories has finally come into the world.

ED
: I can’t imagine any reader going through this book and not learning a number of valuable lessons for his/her writing. I’m thinking, for my own purposes, of David Halberstam’s revelation of “the best question a reporter can ask a source” (it’s “Who else should I see?”). I’m thinking of Bruce DeSilva’s points on endings. I’m thinking of Adam Hochschild’s emphasis on “travel [writing] as discovery” and his suggestions to broaden newspaper travel coverage. Please tell us about some lessons you may have learned from the contributors to this book in the process of working on it.

WC: In a sense, every lesson in Telling True Stories is a favorite of mine, because Mark and I culled the 95 pieces in the anthology from more than 350 conference sessions. I edited 600,000 transcribed words down to 110,000 published ones.

Some of the lessons I found most stimulating are those from other fields of inquiry:

–Tom French suggests that narrative writers read graphic novels to understand story sequence, giving the excellent advice: “To learn about sequencing, study jokes.” (p. 143)

–Malcolm Gladwell describes how psychologists distinguish between samples and signatures – using this distinction to show that watching a subject’s behavior might be instructive, and might not. (p. 74)

–Alma Guillermoprieto, who began her career as a dancer, explains, “While out reporting, I stage a little theater in my mind. Before choreographers begin rehearsals, they choose a group of dancers. By the end of the first rehearsal, one dancer will stand out. As a reporter, I do the same sort of casting. By the end of the first week I have my leading cast selected.” (p. 157)

–Poet-photographer Emily Hiestand offers the pointed advice: Take an art class. (p. 200)

–Historian Jill Lepore warns against the pitfall of presentism – one that often entraps journalists and other nonfiction writers. (p. 86)

–Filmmaker Stanley Nelson shows the importance of fostering the reader’s sense of discovery. (p. 130)

I even learned a few “life” lessons from this book. My favorite is the “seven-of-ten rule” from Jacqui Banaszynski, a Pulitzer Prize-winning writer, editor, and professor. Jacqui says: “Of the ten things you most want from a boss, life partner, job, or house, you will get seven if you are smart and lucky, and work at it. Don’t lament the missing three, because here’s the deal: You can change your job or your partner or your house to get the other three things, but you still won’t have more than seven.” (p. 223)

ED: The book includes an extensive list of “Suggested Readings.” There’s also a (much shorter) list of “Web Sites and Internet Resources.” Please tell us about a few readings and/or online resources you’ve found to be most useful with your own work, and how they’ve been helpful to you.

WC
: The “Suggested Readings” is heavily slanted toward the writers that have most inspired me. It’s not an accident that the list of literary works is three times as long as the one of books about craft and theory. Even as the co-editor of a craft anthology, I must admit that I find how-to books far less instructive than great literature. Recently, reading the work of Sandra Cisneros, Adam Hochschild, and Michael Ondaatje has helped me solve problems in my own writing.

The Nieman Conference Web site has links to the writing of nearly all 52 volume contributors. Read their work! (From www.nieman.harvard.edu, go to the Nieman Program on Narrative Journalism, then the speakers’ biographies under “Narrative Conferences.”)

As much as I love brick-and-mortar libraries, the Web is an increasingly good place for great writing. There are some wonderful online magazines. Two that inspire me to go out into the world and write about it are Terrain: A Journal of Built and Natural Environments and (no longer updated, but excellent) SixBillion.

For general writing resources, Practicing Writer’s list of resource links is a great place to start!

ED: Thanks, Wendy! Anything else you’d like to share?

WC
: We will be posting information on how writers, editors, writing coaches, and professors use Telling True Stories at Nieman’s Narrative Digest. Check www.narrativedigest.org for updates. We are planning readings with contributors in Cambridge and Seattle. Anyone interested in hosting another reading should let me (wendycall[at]yahoo[dot]com) know.

For any readers in the Seattle area: This spring, I’ll be teaching creative writing classes based on Telling True Stories at Seattle Central Community College and Richard Hugo House as well as giving several readings from my own writing. Drop me a line if you would like to know more.

Telling True Stories: A Writers’ Guide from the Nieman Foundation at Harvard University
Edited by Mark Kramer and Wendy Call
Plume, 317 pages.
Paper, $15.00 ($18.50 CAN)

Copyright (c) 2007 Erika Dreifus

Submissions Sought

echolocation, a journal based at the University of Toronto, is looking for “poetry, prose poetry, short fiction, creative non-fiction and interviews with writers.” Unpublished work only. No simultaneous submissions.

“Pay for the Winter 2007 issue is $10/page” (my guess would be that’s Canadian dollars, folks).

This (print) journal accepts only electronic submissions. “We accept submissions year-round; however, the deadline for our Winter 2007 publication is November 10th, 2006.”

Check the Web site for more information.

(via placesforwriters.com)

A Conversation with Kevin Haworth

One pleasure of the online world is the seemingly endless opportunity it provides to “meet” other writers and learn about their excellent work. Not long ago I made the virtual acquaintance of Kevin Haworth, who recently won the Samuel Goldberg & Sons Foundation Prize for Jewish Fiction by Emerging Writers for his debut novel, The Discontinuity of Small Things (Quality Words in Print, 2005). For those who aren’t familiar with this major award, it’s administered by the National Foundation for Jewish Culture. Past winners include Nathan Englander, Simone Zelitch, Peter Orner, Gary Shteyngart, Lara Vapnyar, and Nancy Reisman.

And for those who aren’t familiar with Haworth’s novel, it’s a remarkable read. Set primarily in Denmark during World War II, the novel follows several seemingly unrelated characters as their lives change–little by little–as a series of “small things” gradually takes place under Denmark’s occupation by Nazi Germany. Although the novel itself is discontinuous (following disparate characters and shifting in time; I don’t always appreciate such nonlinearity), in this case it all works, and Haworth skillfully weaves the various threads together. This is an affecting and effective novel; it lingers long after the last page.

Born in Brooklyn in 1971, Kevin Haworth spent most of his childhood in Summitville, NY. He graduated with honors from Vassar College in 1992; it was at Vassar that he began writing fiction, studying with novelist Thomas Mallon. After graduation, he moved to Israel to participate in Sherut La’am (Service to the People), a year-long volunteer program.

In 1995 Haworth received a teaching fellowship to Arizona State University, where he earned an M.F.A. in Fiction Writing. While there, he taught fiction workshops and published his first story, “The Story of Jonah and the Whale,” which won the Permafrost Fiction Prize. (His second published story, “The Promised Land,” won the David Dornstein Memorial Creative Writing Contest in 1998.) He also began work on his novel, The Discontinuity of Small Things.

In 1997 Haworth moved to Philadelphia, where his wife was attending rabbinical school. During two month-long residencies at the Vermont Studio Center, in 1999 and in 2001, Haworth worked as a carpenter and wrote long sections of his novel. He currently lives in Athens, Ohio, and teaches writing and literature at Ohio University. He is married to Rabbi Danielle Leshaw and has two children. Recently he responded to a series of my questions:

Erika Dreifus: Kevin, I’ve already congratulated you in our correspondence, but allow me to publicly acknowledge a recent honor–your receipt of the Samuel Goldberg & Sons Foundation Prize for Jewish Fiction by Emerging Writers for your debut novel, The Discontinuity of Small Things. How did you learn about this competition, and how did your novel come to be submitted for consideration?

Kevin Haworth: Full credit goes to my editor, Holly Gruber, who is very attentive to award competitions and submitted the book on my behalf. When you publish with a small press, literary prizes are an important way to get noticed. Of course, winning a major award is the result that everyone hopes for–but even smaller prizes can generate really welcome publicity.

ED: How did you find out you’d won the award? What was your reaction? What’s changed for you since the award was announced?

KH: There’s an instant legitimacy that comes with winning a national literary prize. Here at Ohio University, it has certainly attracted some notice and I hope that will develop on a larger scale as the news spreads. But most importantly, it lends that elusive concept–confidence–that might sustain a writer through the sine curve of a long career. As for how I heard–Holly, my editor, buried it in the back end of a phone call for maximum dramatic effect. I made her say it three times before I would let her get off the phone.

ED: Tell us how you came to write The Discontinuity of Small Things.

KH: It came directly out of my MFA program. In a class taught by the novelist Melissa Pritchard, we were ‘encouraged’–let’s say forced–to come up with a different idea for a novel each week, complete with synopsis and three-page sample. To me, this is a story about how productive waste can be for a writer. Ten weeks/ten ideas. Nine went nowhere. One led to this.

ED: This is an historical novel, set primarily in Denmark during World War II. Tell us a little about your research process.

KH: I used a number of different methods, but photographs were probably the most important. A good photograph provides you with wonderful details and an ambiguous narrative. That is a useful starting point for a writer. It supplies you with raw material, some tension, and lots of room to work. Many of the moments in the book emerged from photographs, both period ones and others that my wife took when we traveled to Denmark and Sweden to research the book about halfway through the writing process.

I also used historical accounts and discussions with people I met in Denmark, but less than one might think. For one thing, I really don’t like talking to strangers. I’m just too shy for it. Second, when you write an historical novel, you really have to be wary of the history. Georg Lukacs writes in The Historical Novel, a classic book of criticism on the subject, that important events can exert an unhealthy gravity over your work. You need to be entirely familiar with the history and context, and then you need to be willing to depart from it. Only then can you write a book that is surprising.

ED: This novel was published by Quality Words in Print. Tell us how the “match” between you and your novel and the publisher developed.

KH: I liked QWIP’s Web site. What I mean is: the face that QWIP presents to the world is quiet and lovely. I suspected those qualities would translate to the way that the press approached its books. So I sent some sample pages. The relationship developed from there. There was certainly no guarantee that they would appreciate the book–like everyone else, QWIP is awash in submissions–but I recognized an aesthetic kinship, and that helped. There are so many books in the world, and so many styles, that looking for a ‘match,’ as you say, does increase the chances of success.

ED: I read in the Cleveland Jewish News that you spent eight years working on this novel. How did you sustain momentum (and interest!) over all that time? What were some of the high (and low) points?

KH: There’s no need for parentheses. The low points came regularly and with quite a bit of noise. At times, the more I wrote the harder it became. All those words–and I still didn’t know if it would ever come together. When I first started sending the book out, it was almost out of desperation–to force the book into a clearer stage of success or failure.

Two elements sustained me during that time. One, I was convinced that the book mattered. Much of that is related to the inherent importance of the Holocaust and the need to explore it. But I think every writer needs to believe that there is something *big* about the story he or she is struggling to tell.

Second, I felt I had stumbled upon a unique stylistic approach. I often approached it in a detached way, like a science experiment. Let’s push the style, keep changing the variables, and see what happens. I love revision, the constant pursuit of a sentence that is slightly better than the previous version. I’m still doing it, by the way. You should see how many times I’ve rewritten this interview.

In the long run, it’s interesting how quickly one’s perspective can change. I was starting to feel quite behind the curve. (You’re 34! No book yet?) Now everyone’s telling me I’m a young writer again.

ED: The Goldberg Prize includes, in addition to a cash award, a month’s residency at the Ledig House International Writers’ Colony. You’ve spent some time in artist communities before. How did your past residency experience(s) contribute to your work on this novel, and what are you planning to work on while you’re at Ledig House?

KH: My two residencies at the Vermont Studio Center were absolutely necessary. For me, it comes down to mental and physical space. I re-made my studio in Vermont in the image of my novel–at one point, I copied nearly the whole book onto index cards and put them up on the wall. I was influenced by the visual artists who make up the majority of residents at VSC; unlike writers, they can see their whole work at once, look at it from different angles, see how individual brushstrokes affect the whole. So I did that. That was a key step in moving from a collection of sentences to a cohesive book.

The mental space is just as valuable. Separated from your everyday life, you simply spend more time with your work. Problems that seemed insurmountable at nine in the morning can be solved at five in the afternoon, when you’re just walking around and thinking.

ED: Anything else you want to tell us? (reading dates, future projects, conferences, etc.)

KH: I’m still putting together my fall schedule, but it looks like it will include some visits to universities, a couple of events on behalf of the National Foundation for Jewish Culture, and some appearances at Jewish book fairs. Of course, if your readers have any terrific ideas, I’d be glad to hear them. [Editor’s Note: Kevin will also be attending Jewish Book Week in London in February 2007.]

Like many writers, I’m reluctant to talk about my work-in-progress. But the book, now published, is an object. It has its own life, and I really enjoy narrating the story of that life.

ED: Thank you, Kevin!

(c) Copyright 2006 by Erika Dreifus

Note: You can find/learn more about Kevin Haworth’s award-winning novel here. And because this is an ethical issue discussed on several blogs lately, please know that there is NO financial benefit to The Practicing Writer for any purchase through that link.

(Adapted from a version published in The Practicing Writer, August 2006)

From Our Newsletter

Yesterday the newest issue of “The Practicing Writer,” our free monthly newsletter for fictionists, poets, and creative nonfiction writers, went out to our subscribers. As usual, this issue includes plenty of submission calls, contest announcements, and more (including many items not previously listed here at the blog).

Each newsletter issue also contains a feature article. Below you’ll find the one included in this issue, written to complement the recent publication of our newest resource guide, WRITERS’ MARKETS: Where to Sell What You Write When You Write About Writing. (UPDATE, July 19, 2007: This e-book is no longer available.)

Hope you enjoy this look into our newsletter! If you want to read past issues/articles, they’re archived (for subscribers only) here.

WRITING ON WRITING: 10 WAYS TO WRITE WHAT YOU KNOW BEST

by Erika Dreifus

If there’s one subject practicing writers know, it’s writing. And for those who’d like to convert this expertise into paid publication, opportunities abound. Not sure what I mean? Consider these 10 types of “writing on writing”:

1. Craft/”how-to” articles. Instructional pieces form the proverbial meat-and-potatoes of many, if not most, writing magazines and newsletters. You’ll need some genuine expertise here. Don’t try to tell other people how to write a (presumably publishable) short story if you’ve never completed one yourself. Don’t offer tips on book promotion if you’ve never promoted a book.

2. Market updates/profiles. These articles, often including information for those who want to break in to a specific niche, are also staples of many writing publications. I’ve written about literary magazines, alumni magazines, family history magazines, and more.

3. Essays on “the writing life.” If you have something new to say–something other than a familiar story about rejection, for instance–try some of the writing magazines that look for these pieces. (Humor is often a plus.)

4. Poems on “the writing life.” Yes, it’s true. Some publications actually do seek poetry specifically about writing. Again, better to “make it new,” as Ezra Pound advised.

5. Interviews/Profiles. Think outside the box here. Writing magazines publish interviews with agents and editors as well as with poets and writers. Find out where a writer went to college–the alumni magazine may well be interested in a profile. Where does the writer live? Look into the relevant city/regional magazines.

6. Literary travel pieces. You can pitch some writing magazines with these, but don’t forget travel publications, including newspaper travel sections.

7. Literary education pieces and/or reading lists. Time these to coincide with National Poetry Month (April, in the United States and Canada); National Book Month (October); Back-to School, etc.

8. Book reviews. Write about books on writing and/or writers’ memoirs. Don’t limit yourself to writing-focused publications for placements here. A memoir, in particular, may hold wide appeal for a general readership. (For more book review markets, consult our own Directory of Paying Markets for Book Reviewers).

9. College/Career Columns. Don’t forget that writing is a part of academic life. I once sold an article to a publication for college students advising collegians how to negotiate the senior thesis-writing process. I sold another article to a parenting publication advising parents on seeing their kids through the college application essay process. And while it may not be easy to remember during breaks between paychecks and publications, writing is a career option, and it’s one others want to know about.

10. Op-eds. Writers can (and have) opined, frequently in major newspapers and magazines, on everything from the writing section of the new SAT to the qualities that should define a memoir.

So go ahead, fellow writers. Write on.

© Copyright 2006 Erika Dreifus. All rights reserved.

Bio: In addition to her fiction and her other freelance work, Erika Dreifus has published more than 150 writing-related articles, essays, interviews, op-eds, and book reviews since 2003 in The Writer, Writer’s Digest, Poets & Writers, and many other print and online publications. Visit her Web site and/or her blog for much more writing advice and commentary.

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